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Proton Therapy vs. X-Ray Radiation for Prostate Cancer Treatment

Featuring: Carl Rossi, MD, Brian McCloskey, Allen Morris, Brad Power

In short

Radiation oncologist Carl Rossi, MD — who has treated more than 13,000 prostate cancer patients with proton therapy over 31 years — explains how proton therapy differs from standard X-ray radiation (IMRT), why reducing damage to surrounding healthy tissue matters as much as hitting the tumor, and where proton therapy fits today for prostate and other cancers. The discussion covers imaging, dosing, side effects, cost, and insurance coverage in plain terms that help patients weigh their options.

  • Proton therapy stops at the tumor rather than passing through it, which means less radiation reaches nearby organs like the intestines — one study found proton patients developed secondary cancers at less than one-third the rate seen with X-ray therapy.
  • Good imaging before treatment matters: prostate cancer can be nearly invisible on a CT scan alone, so ask your care team whether MRI or PSMA PET scans are being used to map your tumor precisely.
  • Proton therapy costs more than standard IMRT and many insurers don't cover it yet — but costs are coming down as more centers open and more machines are manufactured; it's worth asking your insurer about coverage and requesting a cost comparison.
  • IMRT remains the standard of care for now because proton centers are still limited and head-to-head clinical trials are few — bring this comparison to your oncologist to find out whether a proton center near you is an option for your specific situation.

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Brian McCloskey, Allen Morris, and Brad Power May 15, 2023 “The cancer cells could care less what you're hitting them with. They don't know protons versus X-rays.

Meeting Summary

Advanced cancer patients face enormous challenges in eradicating their metastatic lesions, especially when their cancer has spread to several different locations in the body, hard to reach locations due to proximity to vital organs, and tough body parts like bones or the brain. They can consider surgical removal and various kinds of radiation. , they must have minimal medical problems, good lung function, and not be on certain medications).

Traditional radiation delivers X-rays, or beams of photons, to the tumor and beyond it. This can damage nearby healthy tissues and can cause significant side effects. By contrast, proton therapy delivers a beam of subatomic particles that stops at the tumor, so it's less likely to damage nearby healthy tissues.

Most commonly, proton beam therapy is used to treat tumors near critical organs or structures, such as head and neck cancers, and increasingly in spine, breast, sarcoma, brain, and prostate cancers. This is particularly beneficial to those who are vulnerable to radiation or have received prior radiation either to or immediately adjacent to the area that needs to be treated.

Proton beam radiation therapy may be safer and just as effective as traditional radiation therapy for adults with advanced cancer. Proton therapy is generally more expensive than traditional radiation, and not all insurance companies cover the cost of the treatment, given the limited evidence of its benefits.

Nevertheless, over 40 medical centers, including such NCI flagship institutions as Memorial Sloan-Kettering, Mayo Clinic, and Johns Hopkins have spent millions of dollars building proton therapy centers, and many advertise the potential, but unproven, advantages of the treatment. Carl Rossi, MD, and Medical Director at California Protons, is uniquely qualified to discuss the issues and solutions in proton radiation. Dr.

Rossi has personally treated more than 13,000 prostate cancer patients with proton radiation over the last 31 years—more than any other physician in the world. Internationally recognized for his achievements in cancer treatment, Dr. Rossi is a radiation oncologist with a research focus on the quality of life and cure rate in prostate cancer and lymphoma.

Specializing in proton beam therapy, he has been treating prostate cancer patients with proton therapy since 1991. Prior to serving as the Medical Director of California Protons, he was the Medical Director of the Scripps Proton Therapy Center and was an Associate Professor in the Department of Radiation Medicine at the Loma Linda University Medical Center.

He is currently also a professor of radiation medicine on the UCSD Radiation Medicine faculty. Dr. Rossi gave an overview of proton therapy for prostate cancer and a summary of recent papers. He discussed success stories in prostate cancer, why to choose proton therapy vs. alternative radiation approaches, and when proton therapy works/doesn't work.

The target for radiotherapy is DNA. With any type of radiation you are causing DNA breaks. The idea is that you create enough breaks to overwhelm the cell's ability to repair that damage, so the cell dies when the cell attempts to replicate. Normal tissue is somewhat better at repairing this versus malignant tissue. But that difference is often not that great. You try to target specifically because the more dose that can put in the bad stuff, the greater you can crack that window open. Unfortunately, the repair difference between bad tissue and good tissue is small. Radiation is a toxin, and there probably is no dose below which toxicity does not occur.

To be able to hit what you're aiming at you need a good idea of the target, which depends on getting multiple images from multiple technologies, such as CT (computer tomography, which uses X-rays to create a 3D picture), MRI (magnetic resonance imaging, which uses magnetic waves), and PET (positron emission tomography, which uses radioactive substances to visualize; PSMA PET scans are used to view prostate- specific membrane antigen cells in prostate cancer) scans. Some cancers, such as prostate cancer, uterine cancer, and certain liver cancers, are pretty much invisible or very hard to detect on a CT scan.

If you compare the standard X-ray (Intensity modulated X-ray therapy) therapies and proton radiation therapies in prostate cancer, you create a lot less toxicity using protons because you aren't hitting the intestines with radiation when you are using protons. Proton patients had secondary cancers at less than 1/3 the rate that was seen with other types of X-ray therapy.

The higher the dose you can give, the lower the probability of either local failure or failure elsewhere in the body.

Pencil Beam proton radiotherapy is effectively a 3D printer. You're painting the dose in layers, a millimeter thick, through your target. You can put high doses in some spots, and lower doses in other spots.

Particle therapy is no longer a boutique treatment that is only available in one place or two places in the world. Different manufacturers are making the machines, including companies like Hitachi, and as a consequence machines are becoming less expensive. The cost for proton treatment is getting closer to the cost of X-ray (IMRT) therapy.

Despite the advantages of proton therapy described above, IMRT is still and will be for the immediate future the standard of care due to limited access of proton facilities; limited acceptance by insurance companies, specifically the cost disadvantage; limited head-to-head study comparisons with IMRT; and limited urologic community acceptance and public awareness. The information and opinions expressed on this website or platform, or during discussions and presentations (both verbal and written) are not intended as health care recommendations or medical advice by Cancer Patient Lab/Prostate Cancer Lab, its principals, presenters, participants, or representatives for any medical treatment, product, or course of action. You should always consult a doctor about your specific situation before pursuing any health care program, treatment, product or other course of action that might affect your health. Meeting Notes The information and opinions expressed on this website or platform, or during discussions and presentations (both verbal and written) are not intended as health care recommendations or medical advice by Cancer Patient Lab/Prostate Cancer Lab, its principals, presenters, participants, or representatives for any medical treatment, product, or course of action. You should always consult a doctor about your specific situation before pursuing any health care program, treatment, product or other course of action that might affect your health. Discussion Outline

Dr. Rossi introduction. 0:00

Dr Rossi is an expert in proton therapy and all matters related to radiation oncology.

When does it make sense

Radiotherapy and treatment of metastatic disease. 2:56

Treating solitary metastasis or a few metastases.

Target for radiotherapy is dna.

Empirically, radiation is a toxin.

Radiotherapy delivery technologies and radiation physics.

Radiological use of fast protons. 8:29

The role of protons in delivering radiation.

Radiological use of fast protons.

Making proton therapy more accessible with smaller facilities.

New 3D printing technology.

The importance of multimodality. 13:12

Importance of multimodality imaging in prostate and other cancers.

Prostate and pelvic lymph nodes.

Recent published data on treating intact Proton-based prostate cancer.

Comparison of proton and hormonal therapy.

Proton vs. Imrt. 18:51

Treating the pelvis in prostate cancer.

Treatment of lung cancer with 3D-conformal x-ray therapy and imrt.

Intra-prostatic boosting for metastatic prostate cancer.

Red line patients with vocal boosts.

Hormonal therapy vs. Stereotactic radiotherapy for prostate cancer. 25:19

Hormone therapy and stereotactic radiotherapy for prostate cancer.

Progression-free survival with hormone therapy alone.

Prolonged normal serum testosterone and quality of life.

Proton therapy for heavily pretreated prostate cancer.

How do you get an ablative dose into the spinal cord? 30:40

Treatment of the T6 vertebral body.

Cost of particle therapy is becoming more expensive.

Proton therapy and prostate cancer risk. 33:21

Higher doses of radiation are important.

Dr Rossi's case study with MRR.

Tolerability of proton-based therapy to lumbar spine and thoracic spine.

Toxicities of VMAT vs proton therapy.

Proton therapy vs. MRI-guided radiotherapy. 39:30

New endocrine component of prostate cancer.

Proton therapy vs MR-guided radiotherapy.

Cost of proton therapy for prostate cancer.

Cost of imrt vs 3D conformal.

Do we have any head-to-head clinical trials of MR guidance vs. proton therapy. 44:59

No head-to-head trials yet on MR-guided linac vs proton therapy.

Advantages of MR-guidance vs ct-guided

Ionizing radiation for imaging.

Salvage treatment of the prostate bed after recurrence.

Differences between protons vs. x-rays in treatment. 49:12

Comparing proton plan to x-ray plan.

Proton vs x-rays for pelvic lymph nodes.

Is proton beam therapy being used for bone marrow transplants.

Why protons are used in pediatrics.

Diet and Radiation side effects of consolidation. 53:36

Ketogenic diet for prostate cancer.

Research on diet to mitigate radiation side effects.

No GI toxicity during the treatment.

Dr. Rossi, thank you for being my doctor. SUMMARY KEYWORDS proton, treat, patients, radiation, radiotherapy, dose, proton therapy, toxicity, prostate, rossi, X- ray, treatment, people, therapy, bone marrow, cost, high dose, prostate cancer, marrow, intestine SPEAKERS Carl Rossi (79%), Brian McCloskey (7%), Jonathan Starr (3%), Amit Gattani (3%), Jeff Krolick (2%), Kerri (2%), Allen Morris (2%), Richard Anders (1%) MEETING

Full transcript

Brian McCloskey 0:00 I am happy to announce that Dr. Carl Rossi is here with us today. I just met with him last week regarding my own case, and the use of proton therapy, in my particular disease setting. Dr. I've valued his counsel not only in radiation, but on how to navigate some of the challenges that I've had with my disease. Dr.

Rossi came from Loma Linda University Medical Center, which is where I believe proton therapy was invented back in the 70s if memory serves me correctly, and he mentored with the best. Dr. Rossi, If you want to add some more context, I think it would be helpful. But before you do that, the main point for our patients is that when they're considering local therapy, it's often just a decision between doing surgery or radiation. Dr.

Rossi is going to help us understand when that makes sense, and what is the difference between proton therapy and various other forms of local radiation? Carl Rossi 2:12 Dr. Rossi’s history as a Radiation Oncologist I got into all this entirely by accident. I just happened to do my radiation oncology residency at Loma Linda, when they were starting construction of what was and is the world's first medical proton center.

So I was there really by accident when everything was going at that place, and ended up staying there for almost 25 years. Then I came down here to San Diego when this facility was being built because of the technology differences, which are true now of all the newer centers, and I'll be touching on that again in this presentation. Carl Rossi 2:56 There is going to be a fair number of slides.

I'm going to go through them fairly quickly, though, because I want to save a lot of time for Q and A. I'm going to talk about the use of protons near the end, both in primary therapy, it's one of the many ways to cure prostate cancer that's localized, and also in what we're doing more and more of now, which is treatment of oligometastatic disease.

That's because we're becoming somewhat not victims, but it's a consequence of our success at controlling prostate cancer and other cancers. This idea of treating solitary metastasis, or a few metastases, really came about because the primary therapies and the systemic therapies have gotten better and that people live long enough to develop these problems which wasn’t as much of an issue even 10 or 15 years ago.

So, it's in some respects a good problem to have until we get to the point that we can eliminate this stuff by radiotherapy and current therapies entirely. Molecular target of action for Radiotherapy: DNA Just to remind folks, the target for radiotherapy is DNA. That's what we do with any type of radiation. What we're doing is we're causing DNA breaks.

And that's why when you talk about radiotherapy, we've done a lot of things to try to be more target specific because the more dose we can put in the bad stuff, the greater we can crack that window open. Unfortunately, the fact is the repair difference between bad tissue and good tissue is small. We've had radiotherapy for a really long time. The most toxic mechanism of action of radiotherapy is double stranded DNA breaks.

[Comment from Allen Morris: One does not want to create double stranded DNA breaks in normal tissue or a genomically stable indolent cancer because of the side effect: secondary cancers of normal tissue or genomic evolution of a stable cancer, barring “nuclear bomb”, ablative effect to the latter.

] History of Radiation Oncology It's been well over 100 years since it was first used in a very rudimentary way before the beginning of the 20th century. Within a year of the discovery of X-rays and natural radioactivity, people were using it to treat all sorts of stuff. They learned a lot of things the hard way.

To illustrate, here is a picture of a monument in Hamburg, Germany to the radium martyrs, the several 100 people, clinicians, and other folks who died because of radiation induced diseases they developed. We learned the hard way, like so many things in medicine and in science. ] So we have some basic tenets in radiotherapy. The first is that nothing that we know of is radiation-resistant. Some things are more resistant than others.

But if you give a high enough dose, you can kill anything with radiation that we know of. In general, the malignant cells, as I mentioned earlier, are less able to repair that damage, but that difference can be relatively modest. And the other is this idea that, learned empirically, radiation is a toxin, and that there probably is no dose below which toxicity does not occur.

Off Target Toxicity (Organs at Risk/OARs) Certainly the higher doses are more toxic, but it doesn't mean that lower doses are non toxic. We have this concept called ALARA, an acronym for “As Low As Reasonably Achievable”, that underlies all radiation protection. Whether you're working in a nuclear power plant, or whether you're doing radiation therapy, or diagnostic work, we try to keep the dose to people as low as we can.

And this is underlying all of our modern radiotherapy delivery technologies; this desire to spare people from unnecessary radiation. We’ve had a lot of advances. “Intensity modulated X-ray therapy”, “IMRT”, is probably the standard way (standard of care) of doing great X-ray therapy. We have protons, brachytherapy, or implants, and radioimmunotherapy, as many of you have experienced personally. These are all different variations on the same theme.

That is, let's limit toxicity by being as careful as we can. Using whatever technology we have to maximize target dose and minimize normal tissue dose. The reason we all pull on the physics lever is because we understand it better. We do not have as nearly an accurate grasp of Radiation Biology, despite having studied this now for a long time, as we do on radiation physics. So we use the tool that we can exploit and that's the physics tool.

I mentioned a minute ago that IMRT is the standard radiation tool (standard of care). In IMRT you're using different X-rays, either in what's called a step and shoot fashion or arc, you're doing a volumetric arc, and you're varying the intensity of the beam as you deliver it so that you're stacking the dose, the highest dose to whatever target you want to hit.

IMRT works great compared to three dimensional X-ray therapy of 10 to 15 to 20 years ago. But the problem is you're using X-ray beams and you have to dose on the way in and dose on the way out. So the compromise you have to make, if you're doing say IMRT to the prostate, is that they get this beautiful high dose to the prostate, but you're gonna give a bath of dose to everything else [Off target dose - Organs at Risk/OARS].

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